"I'll be sitting in the same seat by 2027," Sir Keir Starmer stated, noting that if the interview went well, he might invite us into Downing Street for a follow-up chat next year.
There is never truly time off for leaders. In the hour before our chat started, Starmer had been in calls with Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky and attempting to understand precisely had transpired in Venezuela, where his key political chum, US President Donald Trump, had just attacked and captured its leader, Nicolás Maduro.
By the time our lengthy talk, which was far more extended than usual, had concluded, Maduro had been charged in New York.
But as the year commences, the Prime Minister appears to have had something of a revitalisation. Maybe even just a little a rest with loved ones at Chequers, the prime minister's country retreat.
That certainly seemed to have resulted in better spirits than at the difficult end of 2025, a awful political year for him.
But are he and his colleagues being unrealistic if they reckon his fortunes are about to turn around?
The harsh truth for the prime minister is that a significant number of his fellow MPs are convinced he's underperforming at his job. Several of them would rather gamble and oust him this year.
But Starmer was dismissing such talk in the interview on Saturday morning.
Repeatedly he stated he'd be "assessed at the poll", insisting no one would remove his term from him – even if the best chance of stopping Nigel Farage and Reform UK getting to No 10 could be for Labour to change its leader.
"This is the fight of our times and I aim to guide the party," he declared.
The issue for the PM is that he will be assessed well ahead of then – in a huge set of elections in May across the UK. He sought to argue, maybe too much, that they are about who runs councils, and who runs the devolved administrations in Holyrood or Cardiff – and not about Westminster.
Accurate – in part. But even though he may not want to acknowledge it, No 10 will be held accountable by those elections too.
Despite this, Sir Keir stating that there were no scenario under which he would resign, even if a his colleagues challenged him for the job, should those elections prove disastrous for Labour.
He attempted to rationalise his unpopularity by saying the public was naturally eager for things to change. He tried to persuade me, and the nation, that this year would be distinct.
The economic situation would improve in the face of rising unemployment, he argued, when plans the government implemented during their first rocky year began to bear fruit.
His core argument is that soon the country will "reach a turning point".
The PM may have spoken with greater vigour than I've seen from him for a while – more relaxed, perhaps, with a longer slot to talk.
However, in spite of encountering demands from many directions for a bolder strategy, with much more political direction, more vigour, more speed and more immediacy, his points were well-known ones.
When he finds himself in such significant political trouble, does he need a new narrative?
No government, and certainly not one that has been struggling in the polls for an extended period, gets everything its as desired.
Sir Keir's problems are not only because governing is hard, but because he and his colleagues have faltered, even in the recent past.
The prime minister admitted that he regretted saying he was "delighted" to see the return of the Egyptian-British activist Alaa Abd El Fattah to the UK after an controversy when comments he'd made in the past – including calls for Zionists and police to be killed – resurfaced.
Sir Keir blamed "the system" for not realising what the activist had said before – a more diplomatic way of saying it wasn't his responsibility.
And he is inviting evident political risks as the year progresses. His friendship with the US president acquires a new jeopardy after Trump's intervention on Venezuela.
Based on years of interviewing Sir Keir Starmer, a ex- human rights lawyer who opposed the war in Iraq, over his career, the thought he would be comfortable with these events seems far-fetched.
He stated he was a "career-long champion of international law" but we "simply do not have the complete details at the moment".
Opponents demanded condemn it prior to we spoke. And the administration is expected to face increased demands to give an clear view in Parliament in the next few days.
And there has long been bubbling desire in the Labour party to undo or remake some of the outcomes of Brexit.
The PM denies he's pursuing that, but his new firmer plan to move closer with the EU's single market – the huge economic European market – will probably provoke howls that he is reneging on his pledge never to try to reverse the choices that stemmed from Brexit.
A decision to cosy up to more of the single market will satisfy a faction on his backbenches, but it is easy fodder for Reform and the Conservatives to